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« Reply #1325 Dátum: 2014, 10 19, 12:22:19 »
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« Reply #1326 Dátum: 2014, 10 19, 12:57:36 »
A roothoz flashalni kell at új boot.img-t aztán mehet a 2.14-s su is.
De pár nap mulva lesz simán flashelhetö su is.

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« Reply #1327 Dátum: 2014, 10 19, 13:22:18 »
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A roothoz flashalni kell at új boot.img-t aztán mehet a 2.14-s su is.
De pár nap mulva lesz simán flashelhetö su is.
Amit linkeltem valamelyik nap az flashelheto su.

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« Reply #1328 Dátum: 2014, 10 19, 16:20:09 »
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Amit linkeltem valamelyik nap az flashelheto su.
Tudom, de most se root se pedig twrp recovery, egyelőre nem is hiányzik mert annyira tetszik az 5.0-s droid.

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Re: Nexus 5 - ROM-ok, kernelek, custom recovery, root
« Reply #1329 Dátum: 2014, 10 19, 16:53:44 »
Chainfire posztja az új L rootról:

On LPX13D, SELinux, and root

As promised, here are some more details about the current situation.

Why it breaks

Google has really put some effort into better securing Android, and we've seen a lot of SELinux related commits to the AOSP tree over the past months. There is some disconnect between the AOSP tree and actual L preview builds, some things from AOSP are not in the L preview build, and vice versa. Ultimately, it's a pretty good bet these things will mostly align, though.

On most devices and firmwares, SuperSU's daemon is started by the install-recovery.sh service script that runs at system boot time, as user root with the init context. This is what the daemon needs to function.

Recently, they've started requiring all started services to run in their own SELinux context, instead of init. Developers and security guys following AOSP have known this was coming; AOSP builds have been logging complaints about this specific service not having its own context for a while now.

Now this script runs as root, but as the install_recovery context, which breaks SuperSU's operation, as it is a very restrictive context.

In the last AOSP build I have tried (a few weeks old), there were a fair number of other holes that we could use to launch the daemon. At first glance(!), it seems those have all been closed. An impressive feat by the guys working on this, if it proves true.

How to fix it

To fix root, all that really had to be done was ensure the daemon's startup script is run at boot as the root user with the init context.

There are multiple ways to do this, but unfortunately for now it seems that it does require a modified kernel package (changing the ramdisk).

In the modified kernel packages I've posted for the Nexus 5 and Nexus 7, the daemon's startup is fixed by commenting out the line in init.rc that forces the install-recovery.sh script to run as the install_recovery context, so now it runs as init again, and all is well.

Repercussions

As stated above, it seems for now that modifications to the kernel package are required to have root, we cannot attain it with only modifications to the system partition.

Combine that with a locked bootloader (and optionally dm-verity) and a device becomes nigh unrootable - exactly as intended by the security guys.

Exploit-based roots are already harder to do thanks to SELinux, and now because of the kernel requirements for persistent root, these exploits will need to be run at every boot. Exploits that make the system unstable (as many do) are thus out as well.

Of course, this is all dependent on OEMs implementing everything exactly right. If a certain OEM doesn't protect one of their services correctly, then we can leverage that to launch the daemon without kernel modifications. While I'm fairly certain this will be the case for a bunch of devices and firmwares, especially the earlier L firmwares, this is not something you should expect or base decisions on. It is now thus more important than ever to buy unlocked devices if you want root.

It might also mean that every firmware update will require re-rooting, and OTA survival mode will be broken. For many (but far from all) devices we can probably automate patching the kernel package right in the SuperSU installer ZIP. We can try to keep it relatively easy, but updating stock firmwares while maintaining root is probably not going to work as easy and fast as it did until now.

Apps need updates

Unsurprisingly, with a new major Android release, apps will need updates. None more so than apps that go beyond the Android API, as root apps do, but even some non-root apps will be affected by the security changes.

As one example, someone posted in the SuperSU thread of a kernel flashing app that didn't work. From the logcat you could see that it was looking for partitions in /dev/block from its normal non-root user and non-init context. That used to be possible, but now it is restricted: normal apps no longer have read access there. 

The solution for that app is actually quite simple: list the /dev/block contents using root instead. But simple solution or not, the app will still need to be updated.

By far most root apps should be updateable for L without too much issue. There are indeed exceptions that will need some special care, but those are rare.

Permissive vs enforcing

The kernel packages I posted for the Nexus 5 and 7 LPX13D  firmware keep SELinux mostly set to enforcing. I say mostly, because SuperSU actually switches a small part of the system to permissive, so apps calling su can do most things without much interference. The details on this are lengthy (yes, your apps will be able to modify policies as well if needed, which should be rare), and I will document these for other developers after L retail release, assuming it will all still work at that time.

Alternatively, you can set the whole system to permissive or otherwise disable SELinux. There are other kernel packages released that indeed do this. The advantage here is that it instantly fixes some apps' issues, as the SELinux based restrictions have all gone the way of the dodo. The disadvantage here is that you've just shut down a major part of the security system of the device.

Some would argue that a device with an unlocked bootloader, root, encrypted modem firmwares of which nobody really knows what they're doing, etc, is inherently insecure, and thus disabling SELinux doesn't make much difference.

I personally disagree with this. While I do agree that these things weaken security down from the ideal level, I would still not disable more security features than I absolutely need to. Just because you cannot eliminate all attack vectors, is no reason to just completely give up on defending against them.

It is of course your own choice if you want to run a permissive system or not. I will strive to keep everything working in enforcing mode though, and I hope other root app developers will do the same - as stated earlier in the post, I believe this is still possible.

(everything in this post is subject to change for retail L release, obviously)

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Re: Re: Nexus 5 - ROM-ok, kernelek, custom recovery, root
« Reply #1330 Dátum: 2014, 10 19, 18:43:56 »
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Chainfire posztja az új L rootról:

On LPX13D, SELinux, and root

As promised, here are some more details about the current situation.

Why it breaks

Google has really put some effort into better securing Android, and we've seen a lot of SELinux related commits to the AOSP tree over the past months. There is some disconnect between the AOSP tree and actual L preview builds, some things from AOSP are not in the L preview build, and vice versa. Ultimately, it's a pretty good bet these things will mostly align, though.

On most devices and firmwares, SuperSU's daemon is started by the install-recovery.sh service script that runs at system boot time, as user root with the init context. This is what the daemon needs to function.

Recently, they've started requiring all started services to run in their own SELinux context, instead of init. Developers and security guys following AOSP have known this was coming; AOSP builds have been logging complaints about this specific service not having its own context for a while now.

Now this script runs as root, but as the install_recovery context, which breaks SuperSU's operation, as it is a very restrictive context.

In the last AOSP build I have tried (a few weeks old), there were a fair number of other holes that we could use to launch the daemon. At first glance(!), it seems those have all been closed. An impressive feat by the guys working on this, if it proves true.

How to fix it

To fix root, all that really had to be done was ensure the daemon's startup script is run at boot as the root user with the init context.

There are multiple ways to do this, but unfortunately for now it seems that it does require a modified kernel package (changing the ramdisk).

In the modified kernel packages I've posted for the Nexus 5 and Nexus 7, the daemon's startup is fixed by commenting out the line in init.rc that forces the install-recovery.sh script to run as the install_recovery context, so now it runs as init again, and all is well.

Repercussions

As stated above, it seems for now that modifications to the kernel package are required to have root, we cannot attain it with only modifications to the system partition.

Combine that with a locked bootloader (and optionally dm-verity) and a device becomes nigh unrootable - exactly as intended by the security guys.

Exploit-based roots are already harder to do thanks to SELinux, and now because of the kernel requirements for persistent root, these exploits will need to be run at every boot. Exploits that make the system unstable (as many do) are thus out as well.

Of course, this is all dependent on OEMs implementing everything exactly right. If a certain OEM doesn't protect one of their services correctly, then we can leverage that to launch the daemon without kernel modifications. While I'm fairly certain this will be the case for a bunch of devices and firmwares, especially the earlier L firmwares, this is not something you should expect or base decisions on. It is now thus more important than ever to buy unlocked devices if you want root.

It might also mean that every firmware update will require re-rooting, and OTA survival mode will be broken. For many (but far from all) devices we can probably automate patching the kernel package right in the SuperSU installer ZIP. We can try to keep it relatively easy, but updating stock firmwares while maintaining root is probably not going to work as easy and fast as it did until now.

Apps need updates

Unsurprisingly, with a new major Android release, apps will need updates. None more so than apps that go beyond the Android API, as root apps do, but even some non-root apps will be affected by the security changes.

As one example, someone posted in the SuperSU thread of a kernel flashing app that didn't work. From the logcat you could see that it was looking for partitions in /dev/block from its normal non-root user and non-init context. That used to be possible, but now it is restricted: normal apps no longer have read access there.

The solution for that app is actually quite simple: list the /dev/block contents using root instead. But simple solution or not, the app will still need to be updated.

By far most root apps should be updateable for L without too much issue. There are indeed exceptions that will need some special care, but those are rare.

Permissive vs enforcing

The kernel packages I posted for the Nexus 5 and 7 LPX13D  firmware keep SELinux mostly set to enforcing. I say mostly, because SuperSU actually switches a small part of the system to permissive, so apps calling su can do most things without much interference. The details on this are lengthy (yes, your apps will be able to modify policies as well if needed, which should be rare), and I will document these for other developers after L retail release, assuming it will all still work at that time.

Alternatively, you can set the whole system to permissive or otherwise disable SELinux. There are other kernel packages released that indeed do this. The advantage here is that it instantly fixes some apps' issues, as the SELinux based restrictions have all gone the way of the dodo. The disadvantage here is that you've just shut down a major part of the security system of the device.

Some would argue that a device with an unlocked bootloader, root, encrypted modem firmwares of which nobody really knows what they're doing, etc, is inherently insecure, and thus disabling SELinux doesn't make much difference.

I personally disagree with this. While I do agree that these things weaken security down from the ideal level, I would still not disable more security features than I absolutely need to. Just because you cannot eliminate all attack vectors, is no reason to just completely give up on defending against them.

It is of course your own choice if you want to run a permissive system or not. I will strive to keep everything working in enforcing mode though, and I hope other root app developers will do the same - as stated earlier in the post, I believe this is still possible.

(everything in this post is subject to change for retail L release, obviously)
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Re: Nexus 5 - ROM-ok, kernelek, custom recovery, root
« Reply #1331 Dátum: 2014, 10 20, 13:21:36 »
Felment a Lollipop, de basszus arra nem számítottam, hogy ez leradírozza az SD-t. :D
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Felment a Lollipop, de basszus arra nem számítottam, hogy ez leradírozza az SD-t. :D

Sokan panaszkodtak masik forumban h kitkat sajatossag, hogy nem olvassa az sd-t egy csomo program.
Itt mi a helyzet ezzel?

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Sokan panaszkodtak masik forumban h kitkat sajatossag, hogy nem olvassa az sd-t egy csomo program.
Itt mi a helyzet ezzel?

kb annyi,hogy nexusban nincs  sd. :D

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« Reply #1334 Dátum: 2014, 10 20, 17:26:46 »
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Felment a Lollipop, de basszus arra nem számítottam, hogy ez leradírozza az SD-t. :D
Az utvonal valtozott. Ezt mar az elso developer preview-nal is megirtak. Ott van minden adat csak egy 0 konyvtarban. En is megjartam az elso dev prw-al.

"Got "No SDCard" error?
This is because 4.4.x seems to point to: storage/emulated/0 & L points to: data/media/0

Solution:

- Mount system in TWRP/CWM
- Wipe system, dalvik, data, cache
- Unmount system
- Install ROM
- Factory reset
- Reboot
- Go back to recovery & flash SuperSU (link above).
- Reboot

Still not resolved? try:

Open terminal and type
su
restorecon -FR /data/media/0

or type

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restorecon -r /data/media/0/*

Still not resolved? back everything up and flash the userdata.img (erases your SD card)"

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kb annyi,hogy nexusban nincs  sd. :D

Ja tenyleg bocs, kicsit tompa az agyam...
Stresszes a mai nap, meg mindig korhazban ulok... :(

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Az utvonal valtozott. Ezt mar az elso developer preview-nal is megirtak. Ott van minden adat csak egy 0 konyvtarban. En is megjartam az elso dev prw-al.

"Got "No SDCard" error?
This is because 4.4.x seems to point to: storage/emulated/0 & L points to: data/media/0

Solution:

- Mount system in TWRP/CWM
- Wipe system, dalvik, data, cache
- Unmount system
- Install ROM
- Factory reset
- Reboot
- Go back to recovery & flash SuperSU (link above).
- Reboot

Still not resolved? try:

Open terminal and type
su
restorecon -FR /data/media/0

or type

su
restorecon -r /data/media/0/*

Still not resolved? back everything up and flash the userdata.img (erases your SD card)"
Ha rajta lenne, akkor nem írná, hogy van 25GB szabad helyem...
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Ha rajta lenne, akkor nem írná, hogy van 25GB szabad helyem...
Gyari image-bol tetted fel vagy recovery zip-bol? Ha utobbi akkor meglesznek azok az adatok ne aggodj.

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Gyari image-bol tetted fel vagy recovery zip-bol? Ha utobbi akkor meglesznek azok az adatok ne aggodj.
Szerintem flash-all.bat-l tette fel és azért gyalult mindent. ::)

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Szerintem flash-all.bat-l tette fel és azért gyalult mindent. ::)
Az bizony gyalul mindent jo asztalos modjara:-)

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Szerintem flash-all.bat-l tette fel és azért gyalult mindent. ::)
Bizony, jó öreg adb-ből. :)
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Bizony, jó öreg adb-ből. :)
Ha a -w kapcsolot kiszedted volna a bat filebol nem torli az SD-t.

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Ha a -w kapcsolot kiszedted volna a bat filebol nem torli az SD-t.

Ha ezt tudom, megmardanak az SMS-eim, amiket nem töltöttem fel dropboxba. A képek úgy is feltöltődtek, a többiért meg nem kár, mert kb csak zene meg videó.
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Ha ezt tudom, megmardanak az SMS-eim, amiket nem töltöttem fel dropboxba. A képek úgy is feltöltődtek, a többiért meg nem kár, mert kb csak zene meg videó.
SMS az meg mi? 2014-ben meg van ilyen szolgaltatas?:-D

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SMS az meg mi? 2014-ben meg van ilyen szolgaltatas?:-D

Van aki csak azt ismeri, igen. Küldök legalább egyet minden hónapban. :D Meg karácsonykor és szilveszterkor. :D
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Van aki csak azt ismeri, igen. Küldök legalább egyet minden hónapban. :D Meg karácsonykor és szilveszterkor. :D
Akkor azok hianya annyira nem okoz ptoblemat. Nalam az uzenetkuldes a WhatsApp, akik nem hasznaljak vagy nincs meg a telefonszamuk azokkal Hangouts. Tarcsazot sem ismerem egy ideje.

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Akkor azok hianya annyira nem okoz ptoblemat. Nalam az uzenetkuldes a WhatsApp, akik nem hasznaljak vagy nincs meg a telefonszamuk azokkal Hangouts. Tarcsazot sem ismerem egy ideje.
Nálunk baráti körben és családban is mindenki androidos, mindenkivel hangoutsal beszélek. :) WhatsUppot soha nem használtam.
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Re: Nexus 5 - ROM-ok, kernelek, custom recovery, root
« Reply #1347 Dátum: 2014, 10 21, 11:40:22 »
Nekem most esett le valami. A Lollipoppal megszűnik az Xposed? Ugyebár az csak dalvikon megy, és az 5.0 meg ART...
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« Reply #1348 Dátum: 2014, 10 21, 12:06:36 »
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Nekem most esett le valami. A Lollipoppal megszűnik az Xposed? Ugyebár az csak dalvikon megy, és az 5.0 meg ART...
Tinted statusbar alap funkcioja az 5.0-nak csak az alkalmazasoknak kell majd tamogatnia. Mast nem is hasznalok. Kivancsi leszek mennyire fognak ezzel majd foglalkozni a fejlesztok. Meg amugy a material designal? Remelem nem fogjak ugyanugy lesz*rni mint a KitKatben az immersive mode-ot es a translucent megjelenitest.

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« Reply #1349 Dátum: 2014, 10 21, 12:20:24 »
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Tinted statusbar alap funkcioja az 5.0-nak csak az alkalmazasoknak kell majd tamogatnia. Mast nem is hasznalok. Kivancsi leszek mennyire fognak ezzel majd foglalkozni a fejlesztok. Meg amugy a material designal? Remelem nem fogjak ugyanugy lesz*rni mint a KitKatben az immersive mode-ot es a translucent megjelenitest.

Dizájnilag a holo téma is szépen lassan mindenhová elért, de kellett hozzá pár android verzió.
Motorola MicroTAC 5200 -> Mitsubishi Trium Astral -> Ericsson A1018s -> Siemens C25 -> Siemens ST60 -> Motorola V3 -> Samsung Galaxy Spica -> Samsung Galaxy S -> HTC One X -> Google Nexus 5 -> OnePlus One